[smaugth3drag0n] Do we know what Saruman’s weapon is at Dol Goldur?
[gothmog] voice
[jenniearcheo] His voice?
[thatJustin] he’s running behind Galadriel in one shot
[jenniearcheo] That is his main weapon, after all
[thatJustin] so he’s very active
[Demosthenes] yes, just a flash of white.
[gothmog] even sauron in the books fears sarumans voice
[Puma] in the pj verse.saruman will make a deal with sauron
[butterfly] Wonder if they’ll do that scream again? 0_0
[AmydaughterofBev] Yes…voice…I agree, jenniearcheo.
[gothmog] the wilhelm scream
[jenniearcheo] Certainly not right in front of everybody
[mib_2ffahk] I have to say, Christopher Lee stole the trailer with one line
[butterfly] no, not the wilhelm scream
[gothmog] i dont think he will puma
[butterfly] The Nazgul one
[thatJustin] Cumberbatch and Lee in dialog? My ears will cry tears of pleasure
[Demosthenes] Yes, a lot of ppl are thinking “Leave Sauron to me” is the begiining of the end for Saruman the Wise.
[smaugth3drag0n] The Howard Dean scream, butterfly.
[Demosthenes] which is an interesting setup for LOTR
[Puma] my point Demz!!!!
[gothmog] i think sauron will pretend to be defeated by saruman
[Demosthenes] and withdraw
[Rantsu] Or it might be that Saruman can somehow force Sauron to leave Dol Guldur
[butterfly] Yes, we’ll hear Benedict again! ^^
[Rantsu] And after that, he discovers the palantir
[DuBekar] No. The Wilhem Scream ruined Thrain’s death in the Dos: EE for me. *muttermutter*
[gothmog] saruman was pretty much gone anyway
[perry] I thought “leave Sauron to me” was ironic. Is this before Sauron turns to the dark side?
[smaugth3drag0n] Demosthenes, it makes sense. It could be haughty for Saruman to underestimate the power of Sauron.
[jenniearcheo] It could be the beginning of the end or, judging by his “No, don’t worry about this knife” scene in Film 1, it may be a dirty deal between him and Sauron
[thatJustin] remember Gandalf seems surprised about palantir in FOTR
[AzogTheDefiler] Why would even Saruman be corrupted at this point? Maybe after the fight he finds the Palantir and hides it from the others
[Rantsu] Hiding it from the others or saying that he will just examine it.
[Demosthenes] Maybe that orb is supposed to be the orthanc stone as well
[gothmog] saruman wanted the ring at this point
[mib_2ffahk] I simply can’t wait to watch all six films in chronological order
[Demosthenes] it’s possible
[mib_2ffahk] It makes sense for him to confront Sauron alone considering the events of the future
[jenniearcheo] Or does Sauron nab it on his way out? After all, Orthanc is supposed to have one already.
[gothmog] he only attacks sauron at dg well not attack but goes with the white council to dg is so sauron doesnt find ring before him
[AmydaughterofBev] I thought that too, jenniearchio. he was a bit too dismissive of the sword in AUJ.
[Rantsu] It can also be, that even though the Council indeed gives Sauron a hard time, Sauron still manages to do something for Saruman
[smaugth3drag0n] TheOneRing’s own Quickbeam had that idea months ago that Saruman would actually find a Palantir and hide it from others.
[Demosthenes] Maybe in the confrontation he has a realisation and throws over.
[Rantsu] Like giving him a very, very wicked vision
[Rantsu] Or whatever
[gothmog] also in the books gandalf says by the devices of saruman they got rid of sauron from dol guldur
[jenniearcheo] hmm
[gothmog] so in the films i think saruman will use his voice against sauron
[jenniearcheo] Or seem to
[gothmog] sauron will only pretend to be defeated
[Rantsu] Sounds reasonable
[AmydaughterofBev] This is great stuff, everyone!
[Demosthenes] i suspect gothmog is right: sauron will only pretend to be defeated
[Puma] remember.the voice and singing….are a big part of “magic” in jrr
[jenniearcheo] “Leave Sauron to me” may be Saruman preventing anyone actually doing Sauron harm
[mib_lskh1g] is sauroman and souron budyi
[butterfly] yeah, I think he will pretend
[gothmog] their will be no deal it makes no sense to have a deal
[DuBekar] Sauron isn’t going to stick around when he knows he can’t win. He’ll just relocate until it’s safe for him to start building up his strength again.
[mib_lskh1g] up in the lotr why would they
[Rantsu] Sir Lee said that he (Saruman) “will feel sympathy towards Gandalf and Galadriel and others”
[Rantsu] Yes, he might give false information
[mib_lskh1g] if they already fought to death?
[Rantsu] But he has stated many times that this is kinda the heroic Saruman
[gothmog] no point sauron fighting the white council he has no need to
[jenniearcheo] Hard to say
[Rantsu] Still good, not yet corrupted
[Rantsu] Proud, but not evil
[smaugth3drag0n] Agreed
[gothmog] saruman was never evil imo more very neutral
[Rantsu] So I’m sticking with the version that facing Sauron and getting palantir stars his real fall into evil.
[Rantsu] It begins in Dol Guldur, not before
[butterfly] yep
[Demosthenes] I agree. So we see both the wisdom and the end of wisdom.
[smaugth3drag0n] also agree
[AmydaughterofBev] Agree.
[Rantsu] Just theory of course. But again, Sir Christopher Lee said that Saruman is still good
[Rantsu] ON THE OTHER HAND
[Demosthenes] Dramatically it makes sense.
[Rantsu] Lee is THE VOICE OF SARUMAn
[Rantsu] So… 😉
[AmydaughterofBev] His interest in power is peaked, for sure.
[gothmog] yes saruman will be good in the film
[jenniearcheo] heh
[Rantsu] So yes, beware of his voice.
[jenniearcheo] Christopher Lee may be fooling us with his voice? lol
