[Demosthenes] Ok. Next scene: Thranduil seizing the carp. “You began this, you will forgive me if i finish it.” Plus lots of elf army shots.
[Demosthenes] and Thorin looking a bit shaky?
[thatJustin] in a battle tent no less
[perry] Qhat carp?
[butterfly] The odds are against them 🙁
[DuBekar] Is he talking to Gandalf or Thorin?
[butterfly] Thorin in a crown!
[jenniearcheo] So . . . arrows up at the statue?
[FatherGregorian] I wander if Thranduil dies…it would make sense wouldn’t it?
[Demosthenes] perry: latin joke: carpe diem “seize the day”
[jenniearcheo] Carpe diem, sieze the carp?
[Rantsu] It would not make sense
[DuBekar] No. Because then Legolas would be king.
[Rantsu] Since Legolas is his son… and heir
[Rantsu] Indeed
[Papagianni] FatherGregorian not really
[perry] Thranduil is talking to almost anyone but Thorin at that point. I think it is Gandalf who “negan this”
[thatJustin] is it at Dol Goldur or at Dale?
[Demosthenes] Gandy seems as though he has regrets?
[perry] began
[Demosthenes] perry: agreed.
[DuBekar] Gandalf _did_ technically start this.
[smaugth3drag0n] What kind of guts do you have to have to go up to a Wizard and say what Thranduil said to Gandalf?
[jenniearcheo] Interesting, I don’t see any particular barrier, hastily built or otherwise, in front of Erebor.
[gothmog] i think gandalf knows that their all in danger and not necessarily from orcs
[AzogTheDefiler] Gandalf didn´t take into account Thranduil´s greed
[jenniearcheo] Big giant elf nads
[AmydaughterofBev] The guts of an Elf are pretty large
[Demosthenes] Thranduil’s motivation (apart from gems) seems to be wanting to avoid larger conflict. Isolationism and all that.
[AmydaughterofBev] Ha! Great minds, Jennie.
[Demosthenes] is what we are seeing a continuance of that?
[smaugth3drag0n] There appears to be genuine hatred of Gandalf from Thranduil. This is more than just, “You made a mistake. I’ll correct it.”
[thatJustin] Every elf chooses isolation
[Demosthenes] Or has he changed his mind here?
[FatherGregorian] Gandalf gets so much crap from people, when he pretty much orchestrates EVERYTHING
[thatJustin] Elrond, Galadriel, Thranduil all isolationists.
[perry] I think it is Gandalf. Bard would not warrant that much emotion, hate, disdain
[smaugth3drag0n] LOL – jenniearcheo
[smaugth3drag0n] Good point, Justin.
[jenniearcheo] Okay, there’s a shot in this sequence of three ballistas being shot. By whom?
[jenniearcheo] Are those dwarves or orcs manning them?
[AzogTheDefiler] Dwarven ballistas
[FatherGregorian] Oops sorry. No more swearing from me
[thatJustin] orcs
[Papagianni] Dwarves
[Demosthenes] yes they seem to be dwarven ballistae
[jenniearcheo] There appears to be angular architecture, so possible dwarven motifs. Hard to tell. Those manning it seem to be covered in plate armor
[DuBekar] I don’t see what use the dwarves would have for ballistas. Aren’t they for besieging a fortress?
[Demosthenes] not orcs. interesting. so we see an elf-dwarf conflict. perhaps that is what T is apologetic about?
[Feanor] Elves’ faces look too CGI though in that one scene.
[FatherGregorian] Are the trolls theit own army?
[jenniearcheo] Who are they shooting at?
[Demosthenes] jennie: elf-dwarf war.
[jenniearcheo] That’s what I mean, DuBekar
[jenniearcheo] Doesn’t make much sense
[Demosthenes] Gandy’s going “ummmmm”
[DuBekar] I wonder how long the Elves attack Erebor before Dain shows up.
[jenniearcheo] The Dwarves don’t have anything to attack that would require such a device
[Feanor] I don’t believe we will see a Elf-dwarf war, I think Gandaf will stop it in the last moment.
[jenniearcheo] Unless . . . they didn’t know Smaug was yet dead?
[FatherGregorian] Can we talk about Saruman?
[Demosthenes] FatherGregorian: no
[smaugth3drag0n] It looks like their armor has a mohawk on the top of the helmet.
[AzogTheDefiler] Do you know what a balista can do to a formation like the elven one? Pierce several people at once
[Demosthenes] it’s a very roman device.
[jenniearcheo] Yes, I see the ridge crest, smaugth3drag0n
[FatherGregorian] I don’t like you Demosthenes
[Demosthenes] join the club 🙂
[DuBekar] There’s a shot of them firing a volley of arrows at the fortress, so I’m guessing their argument (however briefly) results on violence.
[smaugth3drag0n] It is highly unlikely, but Demosthenes, could this be from Dain Ironfoot?
[gothmog] we dont like you fathergregorian 🙂
[Demosthenes] Ok, next sequence and Bilbo’s line when faced with death … what can anyone do?
[Demosthenes] bit of a montage here
[FatherGregorian] I didn’t expect some of you guys to be so rude
[perry] Is there where he justifies giving over the Arkenstone?
[butterfly] He has a good point 🙁
[jenniearcheo] I still don’t get why the elves are all shooting at the statue to the right of Erebor. Or why the statue is still standing.
[jenniearcheo] FatherGregorian: It’s just we’re trying to organize the discussion
[Rantsu] Speaking of Elves vs dwarves, I wonder how seriously we should take what Connolly said about “killing elves” 😀
[Demosthenes] FatherGregorian: sorry FatherGregorian. I’m having to strictly control this otherwise it goes into a mess. So, no we cannot talk about Saruman right now.
[butterfly] I like you, Demo 🙂
[jenniearcheo] With this many people, it’s chaos
[DuBekar] Maybe the dwarves destroy it to block the entrance to the hidden door?
[Rantsu] I mean, there is a possibility, even though not a high
[butterfly] I see Fili and Thorin looking over the landscape
[thatJustin] that totally Tauriel riding away on white horse
[FatherGregorian] Understood. Sorry.
[jenniearcheo] Surely that door is long shut again
[Demosthenes] BTW, when Bilbo says that line. he seems to be in Dale
[Demosthenes] and it seems to be n fire?
[Demosthenes] is that right?
[perry] So, giving the Arkenstone
[jenniearcheo] Someone is riding away on a white horse, to be sure
[butterfly] Yep, there’s fire
[perry] I think that’s bard
[smaugth3drag0n] That is the single best thing in this trailer. Bilbo’s line. You can just feel the passion and danger. I love it.
[DuBekar] Or they’re destroying it to block the main gate.
[Demosthenes] Why is there fire?
[perry] on the white horse
[AzogTheDefiler] Bard goes away when Thorin refuses to help him
[AmydaughterofBev] Who is overlooking Dale as Bilbo is speaking?
[perry] white horse
[smaugth3drag0n] I haven’t seen the white horse yet. Where is it?
[Demosthenes] I see the horse. it’s in the parapet shot
[FatherGregorian] Tauriel will die. I’m sure of it.
[Demosthenes] between the merlon.
[butterfly] With Fili and Thorin
[smaugth3drag0n] Wow. I did not see that before. Cool.
[jenniearcheo] Shot over Fili and Thorin’s shoulders, looking out at Dale in the distance. Horse riding off
[Feanor] Someone is riding a horse through the Lake-Town-refugees camp
[Rantsu] Legolas?
[thatJustin] I think Fili and Kili reunite with the Erebor dwarves and Tauriel then leaves, while the brothers watch her ride away
[Demosthenes] Did Tauriel just deliver Kili to Erebor?
[gothmog] probably gandalf?
[Rantsu] He took the white horse at the end of DoS
[perry] we see Bard on a white horse when Thranduil is on his elk
[AmydaughterofBev] Ah! Yes…I see it now.
[Papagianni] I’ts Tauriel and Legolas Or Gandalf. who else has a white horse?
[Rantsu] And will definitely arrive to the camp at some point
[Rantsu] (remember the picture of Bard and Leggy)
[Demosthenes] it’s an elf anyhow
[AmydaughterofBev] You all have elven eyes!
[Puma] long HoF
[smaugth3drag0n] lol
[Rantsu] So yeah, my vote goes for Legolas
[butterfly] Demo, Dean O’Gorman talked about a scene where they make their way to Erebor from Lake town
[gothmog] puma hates movieverse :p
[AzogTheDefiler] No that´s Bard leaving
[butterfly] The four Dwarves get there on their own
[Demosthenes] I reckon it’s an elf 🙂
[jenniearcheo] There are such parleys or attempts at parleys, in the book
[FatherGregorian] Gandalf doesn’t get a white horse until The Two Towers
[Puma] shadowfax was grey
[gothmog] theirs more than one white horse haha
[perry] There is a clean shot of Bard on a white horse.
[jenniearcheo] THE white horse, anyway. I’m sure there are more than one
[Puma] not white
[Demosthenes] it’s a white/grey horse
[Demosthenes] maybe grey
[smaugth3drag0n] Anyway…It’s a horse.
[FatherGregorian] You’re a white/grey horse 😉
[Feanor] Honestly, I don’t think that who’s on the horse is that important 😀
[Puma] and yes.there are many white horses
[Papagianni] FatherGregorian Gandalf rides a white horse in the first trailer
[elentari3018] thanks for the chat– gotta run
[elentari3018] namarie!
[gothmog] rohan had a lot of horses robbed from them haha
[Demosthenes] So, possibly a parley? Possibly Tauriel.
[butterfly] yeah, maybe
[Feanor] noro lim asfaloth
[Demosthenes] Another flash of “Gundabad” too.
[Puma] yes.in the pj verse that line is said by a horse thief
[FatherGregorian] You guys are crazy. Gandalfs only white horse is Shadowfax
[gothmog] gundabad looks a lot like minas morgul in the films
[Demosthenes] Lake-town camp (plus that white horse)
[smaugth3drag0n] Are we sure that is Gundabad???
[gothmog] yes i am anyway :p
[Papagianni] FatherGregorian you don’t really see my point
[Demosthenes] it’s not anywhere we’ve seen before.
[gothmog] well im sure of it haha
[AzogTheDefiler] That´s not Gundabad, it´s so far away
[gothmog] so
